Sen. Pan: Responding to Public Charge

Sen. Pan: Responding to Public Charge

October 10, 2019 0 By Ewald Bahringer


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So if people get please take their seats are about to get started. Thank you. So good morning. Thank everyone for being here today appreciate it and I know we have a lot to cover so I’d do I’d be sure we started on time and I guess some basic housekeeping for all of you at the table I know. Because we are. Live streaming this and recording so we ask that you when you’re speaking D. sure you move your microphone in front of you so we can actually pick up your voice for the recording. I know there Sir interspersed between people here. And did so I remind people and again I want to welcome everyone here and thank you so much for being here today for this very critical conversation. My name’s doctor Richard pan of a pediatrician and state senator representing the sixth district which includes here in Sacramento elk Grove west Sacramento in part to Sacramento county. Also chair of the Senate committee on health and the Senate budget subcommittee on health and Human Services so. Many of the services we’re gonna be talking about here. Are through agencies that that I ever see in the budget process. So we’re here to talk about public charge public charges something that. In some ways has been in existence for awhile in US policy the general concept is that we want to have. Ever going to come to this country to eventually be at independence contributors to our community and we know that they are. But as we know all too well the trump administration’s changes to the public charge rule so they’re making significant changes. That that that those changes are directly threatening children and families and well in heavily in fact were racing and now this way people from pursuing health housing nutrition services to which they are legally entitled to. So as I mentioned I oversee through my **** to subcommittee many of the health and Human Services social services that are state provides our ministers through the federal government. And we know that often times people may need some help they may be going through a- difficult period in their family they we have people who are seeking education to improve themselves. And we often note that it’s ray challenging enough often time for families to actually obtain those services for. Variety different reasons sometimes for reasons that are unfortunately intentional and sometimes for reasons that are not necessary intentional but because we put these barriers in front. Now we are compounding this. By creating. An atmosphere from the trump administration and through this public chargeable that if families access services that they need. Services they need for themselves or their family that they will be denied the opportunity to fully become part of our community by being able to pursue a green card or US citizenship. And so that fear will actually be an additional. And very significant barrier to people getting the help they need but I’d also point out that when people need help. They don’t merely disappear the need for help does not disappear. That in fact eventually **** comedian or society. Will pay the price. For their lack of services not only from the fact that we lost the opportunity to provide that help that people need for them to then be able to succeed and contribute back. But also the harm that recreating directly for those families. So today we bring together policy community leader statewide advocates and local boots on the ground service providers for discussion about how we can work together to protect children and families from this punitive federal policy. I also want to thank our on line viewers thanks for watching and for those of you who believe in live tweeting are doing social media our hash tag is build healthy sack B. U. I. L. the healthy H. E. L. T. H. a sack because Richard Sacramento. And this issue is I know personal for many of us here if not almost all I’m a child of immigrant parents the immigrated here to this country to. Seek new opportunities I know that they worked my parents worked hard to be successful. In this country and to contribute back and certainly as a state senator I am concerned about the error repairable harm to children families and communities and chilling effect this will have on our state’s ability to business. And as a pediatrician and back this afternoon I’ll be seeing patients I have taken care of low income immigrant families over at in and previously it well space clinic in out Sacramento primary care center. And I know that many of my patients are are fearful and so. That actually the ones that don’t even. Show up are certainly is certainly a great concern and the ones who do. And we’re trying to help them and making referrals for services and they’re like well I’m afraid to actually get the services. So we have three main goals today. First of all we wanna fight fear with facts because certainly I think. There’s an overall fear and so people don’t understand where applies where doesn’t apply so we need to fight for your fax make sure we can share accurate information. We know that the public charge test does not does not apply to every immigrant. We also want to recognize that it’s not over we were here today how advocates are using every tool disposal to help. Mitigate this rule. And it’s also a moving target and that’s going to be a challenge because how do we communicate to people something that they may just. Understanding concept and therefore are afraid. How do we try to get that information out to people. And we want to hear from all of use so we can start talking about how Sacramento in California can mitigate the impacts and work together to close the gaps. Are committed so they’re committees not fall further into poverty. And I’m proud to partner today with doctor Nadine browse sign in her second estate dietetic intern to class thank you. And so thank you so much for all the wonderful help from the interns I also want to thank Ideen Hyson from the college of social sciences and interplay study interdisciplinary studies at Sacramento state. And I’m about her up so she can welcome us this beautiful downtown campus and to share with us some of her eight thoughts on this issue. Thank you. Good morning. I want to thank senator pan for convening this group I want to welcome you on behalf of the university president Nelson could not be here today but I have to tell you he’s deeply committed to issues that affect the state our local region and the world to see the range of stakeholders that are here from community agencies to state agencies local regional out but especially our students of as a Jean I’m always so. Thrilled encouraged to see you in the audience and I really wanted courage you during the question answer to speak up you’re the future you are the solution I am amazed how much you have contributed and when I’m in different forms I want to tell you that president Nelson has declared our campus as an anchor institution and that means that we are not only just sitting in ivory tower but we are interested in partnering. And leveraging all of our resources are intellectual capital our time or space our energy we are here to stay as a place bound economic institution and so these issues and the way we work together are critical these kind of convening Sir exactly what we had in mind. President Nelson in. Twenty eighteen wrote a letter and I want to. An excerpt from that letter. It was written to the department of homeland security about the public charge rule at that time was being considered at his concerns that he noted. Included a couple of quotes. I’m. Worried that the fear confusion generated by the rule would deter greater numbers of immigrant youth or children of immigrants who are eligible for federal and state funded. State aid programs from flying to college altogether. In the center pan mention the confusion is a big concern he goes on to say that this rule could affect US talent pipeline. In areas where we’re looking for talent. The rule would discourage M. may decrease the number of US citizen youth and non US citizen parents. Lawful permanent residence an undocumented immigrant youth who are long term residents the United States from completing college degrees and pursuing areas of national need. I was a dietitian for over two decades I’m very familiar and committed to the idea of food and security the potential implications the consequences. Of this proposed public charge role. I look forward to partnering with you all. Bringing our university. Capital to this end to learning how we can be involved as important stakeholders moving forward thank you I look forward to an excellent conversation. Thank you so very much Jean hi Senate again I wanna thank sac state for hosting this event as well so thank you very much sex state. So we’re gonna next the begin with our first speaker just give a- follow at the a policy advocate from the western center Lara poverty she’s going to provide an overview of public charge and an update on the lawsuit. Welcome. One thing that. Good morning everyone at first I just want to start off by thanking doctor pan for family for hosting this event one of the first of its kind in the state that I know of hosted by senator or member of the legislature but also just for being. Ringing the humanity. Of low income Californians. To the conversation everyday at the state capitol as budget chairperson of humans have the Human Services. We at western center get a chance to work with him frequently. And you know and for you it always comes down to. To the people. Andy thank also the as Sacramento state university and the leadership here. Who has taken hunger as an issue. Very seriously tera que hunger on your campus one of the first in the state to evaluate the impact of hunger among your student population. So appreciate you and your leadership in that area as well. And really. Want to take a second and ground ourselves and what this rules how does. So the first to start off with the public charge test is a test that has been in place. Since the late eighteen hundreds as a way to evaluate whether or not people were that should be at. Allowed to come into our country or should be allowed to stay in and in the U. S. but it has been an informal it has not been a regulation. The test has previously applied to cash benefits so temporary aid to needy families here in California we know is the cow works program supplemental security income or SS I. These are programs that until now and still have been considered it receipt of those benefits by a person who of certain immigration status would be considered a public charge if they received those benefits directly not for a family member. So it’s really this rule though that at that the president has proposed is to expand. The reach of the role and to make it a formal rule and put into regulations. And the proposed expansion originally thanks when it was first being drafted when we first heard of it would have gone out to all nutrition programs including consideration of child nutrition programs but was narrowed in there when it was finalized on October fifteenth. Add to just a snap and non emergency Medicaid section eight vouchers and other project based aid. What’s important to know about this rule is that it doesn’t apply to everybody. But it’s also not intended that only only harm those people to whom it applies. This rule really is about Hey. M. bias against immigrants it’s part of a national campaign to make immigrants afraid. It’s part and parcel with our border policies and with our increase deportation. It’s it belongs in the same pot of strategies that the federal government is pursuing which have resulted in a workplace raids. And statements that have made people afraid just this week we heard news of the president’s statements are in favor of harming physically harming. Gunning down immigrants as they enter our country. This proposal should be seen in that context it is meant meant to make people afraid afraid of asking for help. No I come to the work at western center along poverty after having spent my childhood and young adulthood in poverty and worked twenty years and the anti poverty movement. This is something that poor people are told all the time if you ask for help bad things will happen. This proposal is part of that promoting fear and among poor people and among a people who are immigrants. Finally when I want to say though is that part of resisting that hate is coming together. Conversations like this working together and that’s what we’re doing in fact just this week there was a hearing on a case that’s called. Let Clinica and L. against trump at all and this litigation was brought by the national immigrant law center western center on law and poverty national health law program and Asian Americans for advancing justice. We had a great hearing the courtroom was packed full of our allies and other people we were representing in court that day we were joined by the attorney general’s office representing the state of California I’m a the counties of Santa Clara and San Francisco. We will go back to the judge on Monday and we expect to have good news about an injunction that would prevent this Roth I’m going into place on October fifteenth there are two other hearings that are happening throughout the country. And we expect good news for from those as well so please stay tuned and know that our response to this is more than just getting rid of this rule is about coming together and making sure that people are unified in our voice. In protection of our and support of our immigrant families and in support of our low income neighbors. I think you and I look for to the conversation. Thank you thank you so very much. I would also want to just point out that. This is this is not a zero sum game lifting people up it’s not pulling anyone down and I think that’s unfortunate part of the narrative that is being put forth is that actually helping people for some reason. Is bad because it means that. Were hurting someone else and that’s not true we can all sixty together. Now I’m really pleased that next we’ll have us couple speakers talk about what this means for service providers some please the first welcome or bill Thomas director of government affairs at the California immigrant policy center welcome. Thank you doctor pan on not just for helping convene this with the help of Sacramento state but also for the work he did in the legislature to help ensure that a C. R. one passed it was a resolution that. De California where policy center sponsored to basically say California is taking a stand against this public charge alone will do all they can to help every Californian feel home. In this state and part of the state’s inclusivity. We’ve talked about you know several things in terms of the legal aspects and the history of public charge but throughout. American history it’s been used in some of our darkest hours and it’s traditionally been used as a weapon against poor immigrants fleeing to. Come here for a better chance and you touched on it. We need to think about it as a chance for. A promising future an opportunity for them. This country unfortunately has used this to deny. Jewish people who were fleeing **** Germany. The ability to come and stay in our country. Because they didn’t have the funds necessary under the public charge rule when they were trying to enter. What we want to make sure that people are understanding when we think through the new. Programs and services that will be provided is that. This test goes into effect October fifteenth so if people are listening please continue to use all the services that you can right now. Do what’s best for you and your family. And talk to your legal providers know your rights and no barring an injunction. Use everything you can up until the date that is specified by your community members. What’s so harmful about this rule is that in addition to the programs that it brings under this tent of public charge. Would also starts thinking to who the people are that are going to be applying for change in status. So it means that you will have an income test a health test age family status and even English proficiency and we have known so many generations of immigrants have come. And missing. Members of our society but that just need a little bit of help. So when we’re hearing about what is all inclusive on this public charge test as is being written and is will now go into effect. We are seeing that the administration and it’s no surprise is looking at immigrants that they want to be white. And wealthy. And that traditionally is not how California has managed to succeed in our history. The hard part about the services that we’re providing is that we’re hearing from our community. Of a chilling effect I think everyone is going to say that word during this presentation. But we are hearing from our community members that de mis information is being spread all across the state and mostly into our immigrant communities so people who aren’t. Even affected by this public charge change. Are now to distant rolling from their service providers even the cabbie arts that are included for those services that will be. You know brought into public charge included in. An exception for women who are pregnant and sixty days post partum but we’re hearing that they’re being told at the community level. That they need to descend role so we have pregnant women that are getting ready to give birth. The next couple of weeks that are now not seeking the medical attention two men sure that day and their family are going to be healthy. And we’re hearing from other people that even if it’s their kids that are receiving yes some of these food programs that they descend role their whole family for fear. Of what is going to happen to their status change. And so we want to make sure and it’s a great opportunity to bring the community together that we’re all on the same page and the community does know that there are very much. Huge exception this a small sliver of the population. That is going to be affected but what’s happening is everyone is being made to assume that is every immigrant that is coming here. That needs to be wary. The confusion that. We are seeing. Was a design. The administration wanted to be confusing because they wanted. The mass amounts of immigrants to just descend role from the programs and that was intended consequence and we’re seeing it. Here they have weaponized all the benefits that are available at a time when California is taking the lead. And making sure that we provide more benefits than we’ve ever had available to immigrants. And all Californians regardless of status. We have heard now that and I nine four four form will be. A requirement moving forward and advocacy organizations around this table are all working together to make sure we could provide our county partners with the information needed so that they can. Fill these forms out accurately but not give too much general information to have adverse immigration affects happen. And what is our state doing to help the service providers. The department of social services through the one California program thank you senator pan for helping with that ongoing funding. Is now able to provide free legal services to immigrants who are concerned about whether their status will be affected by the public charge rule change we encourage everyone to take advantage of this free services it’s available throughout the state. It’s on the department of social services website. That they are able to. Munich Kate in almost every dialect and language throughout California so we want to push everyone that’s concerned into that service first of all so that they can see. What their situation is and make the decisions that best for them and their family. And we want to make sure that as the communities coming forward that. You guys around the table are letting us know as advocates to the California protecting immigrant families program what you’re hearing so we can get out there and talk to that so if you are also watching. And if you have connections with ethnic media please let them know that the public charge rule is going to affect October fifteenth there are caveats and carve outs. And that it’s most important to funnel them into the service providers so that they will know their rights thank you. Thank you very much our next speaker I’m pleased to welcome Clarissa raise the Serra immigration and health law fellow at the California rule legal assistance foundation. Thank you. Hi everyone I thank you for having as I represent the California rural legal assistance foundation and were primarily a rural justice center and we serve farm workers and low wage laborers regardless of their immigration status we’ve been giving community presentations individual consultations and what we’re seeing is that a lot of times families in rural settings the only source of information when it comes up public charge is television so when ABC on Telemundo on other news sources. And rather than dispelling fears or trying to give correct information this actually scared a lot of families it’s given them a lot of terror and about their immigration status and they’ve descend role from benefits and we really tried hard as immigration providers and overall setting to get three messages out in particular when we’re working with families. First at many undocumented families who are not even eligible right now for immigration relief should not worry especially if they have children who they’re looking to apply for with later in the future they’ve got years until their children you are five six years old turned twenty one and so we want them to receive those benefits keep their children safe and healthy in the mean time for example we had one mother who was an undocumented farm worker and the Fresno area she had children who were enrolled and medic how. And cal fresh when she heard about public charge she was scared and frightened and decided to descend role from cal fresher for her children not for herself the thing was that she decided that medical was two crucial for her family she couldn’t risk that but she figured well if I descend role from caliphate should maybe that’ll impact my immigration application a little less the thing was that she didn’t even qualify for relief right now I am and that is a sad part of her story but- right now she should stay with those benefits keep them however children be healthy. And have the health care and food that they need. So for us we were able to help her make. She was back on her feet make sure that our children had all the benefits that they were entitled to as US citizens therefore they were entitled to every single benefit in this country that they qualified for. Second those benefits were for her children not for herself and the rule looks at the benefits that you yourself are using. Not the benefits you and your children are using. Sorry that your children and family are using. And most importantly like I said her children had many years on these benefits before. Public charge would even apply to her so those are the three messages we needed to work with her to really dispel a lot of things that she already heard on the news and- from other news stations. The second message we try to get out to families is that many benefits that people are using especially in a state like California who has generously provided. For benefits for a lot of families regardless of their status a lot of those benefits aren’t even applicable to the public charge test. So for one woman that we worked with another document a farm worker she uses emergency medic hal and county health programs that are available in this state. To care for her chronic kidney health problems. She was terrified that she needed care for this chronic kidney problem that she had. But at the same time she was afraid that using those services would actually make her ineligible or to portable in the future when she was looking to get some immigration relief. The thing is though is that we have to tailor nope you’re safe you’re good emergency medical doesn’t apply. Count local county health programs doesn’t apply you’re all good and so for her that was some life saving treatment that she then continue to receive. Because she talked with an immigration provider that’s also another big message you’re trying to get talked to an immigration attorney. Sometimes you hear information and you just need to make sure it’s the right so please come talk to us. And finally one thing that we do a lot of right now is naturalization and Dhaka workshops. To make sure that everyone who qualifies for some kind of status or- citizenship in the United States. Gets it because we want everyone to bow if they can we want everyone to be active as community members in this country. People are afraid though if they apply. That day in the user fee waiver because it’s too expensive to apply. That the you know that’ll be assessed by public charging again Peter portable or be ineligible or- somehow public charge will. Hit them hard. And the thing is. It doesn’t these be waivers are mentioned in the rule but if your immigration practitioner. You know that any available fee waivers that are out there for immigration applications. Are not applicable when it comes to the public charge rule. So you can talk to immigration tourney make sure that you have someone who can tell you. The real information that’s out there. So for example I. naturalization application can cost up to seven hundred twenty five dollars. That’s seven hundred twenty five dollars to become a citizen of the United States. And that’s a financial barrier that many families face. But if you get this fee waiver it can cost four hundred five dollars to almost half. Or can be free depending on what kind of benefits are other. Income eligibility you have so we tell families save that money use that money for. Housing for groceries for whatever else your family needs. Save that money and don’t use it because you qualify for this fee waiver and you won’t be affected by public charge. So those are three messages are really trying to get out to families because we know that they’re scared. And we know that they’re trying to get all this information and trying to process it so we’re just trying to help them do that. If you or anyone knows. Organization that wants a presentation wants to learn more about public charge please contact us and we’re also. Available for free individual consultations. Thank you. Thank you and I think it’s worth repeating that it’s important for people to have accurate information. Though not let fear drive your decisions and there is help out there and does its pointed out. The state of California itself has. As provided many services and that does not apply for public charge so again be sure you get accurate information before you make a decision. That may deprive your own family of help that they deserve. Now please now to have to bring a case study from the front lines of course in the area of. Primary care medicine and my own it feel some pleased to have Liz a cigarette associate director of policy from the California primary care association to speak. On this issue so thank you. Thank you thank you senator pan for inviting us to speak and for creating the space to have this very important conversation. I California primary care association represents more than thirteen hundred health centers and community clinics throughout the state and nearly seven million patients. M. that also means that we see about one in three medical patients at our house and here’s- how centers were created through the civil rights movements and so that means that we’re really kind of grassroots advocacy oriented we really try to work to advocate for the rights of our patients. And their rights to access care. Is this a public charge rule was leaked in twenty seventeen house center started to report to an increase in fear from patients. In asking them patients coming to us and asking to for example all cancel appointments. Increase no shows. And folks asking to discern role from services like medic cow. I’m in September twenty seventeen C. P. C. collaborated with the children’s partnership to conduct a survey for providers to kinda capture what they’ve been seeing within their immigrant children patients and their- can’t parents and so from the survey. We had about a hundred and fifty one providers respond in these providers were mental health providers who also provided. Services site primary care. And from the server we found that there was a 62% increase and fear for enrolling into services like waking medic cow. I. 90% increase in anxiety and fear to due to the tension and deportation. I’m and a 50% increase in diagnoses around anxiety and depression. And so clearly that we are seeing the impacts already happening in our communities and this will has not yet even been implemented. And so given that a lot of the impact is coming from misinformation and not understanding how the rule is actually impacting themselves or their families. I’m we have been working with our coalition partners to try to mitigate the chilling effect because that’s what essentially it is this rule actually impacts a very small subset of the population but this chilling affect this fear of not knowing how it impacts you. It’s creating people to you know it’s John and say no to services no I don’t wanna take my child to school and no I don’t want to open my door. And so to kind of Medicaid that we are you helping to. Work with our partners through the protecting immigrants access to public benefits workgroup. Is the work of that we created last year with about seventeen statewide organizations that include organizations like I C. I. P. C. farmworker justice C. pan **** summit they’ll legal late I. L. R. C. we all came together to create modules so. It’s pretty much service provider trainings and the idea is you come to a train the trainer session it is an all day training. We train you on about ten modules each one’s about twenty five minutes and then the idea is that you’ll take those modules back to your communities the my just come with very very detailed notes on the bottom so the idea is you. Could pick it up read the notes and provide the presentations yourselves and the modules are kind of you can select which ones you want to present you only have an hour so you could do two or three. I need to talk about messaging public talk about providing legal advice doing a PC with public charge one on one talking about program eligibility and how those programs are being impacted or not by the public charge rule. And so we really invite folks to one com and pro participate in these trainings for hosting them throughout California I’m working right now on scheduling new ones we just posted to this month one in Sacramento on one an alley. Both of which were pretty full so the demand is there and the need for these trainings is there. And so we are working again I’m to be able to pass the information make sure service providers are ready to answer the questions coming from their patients and then also working with M. rollers and frontline staff. So that they’re prepared to answer some of these questions coming to them. We are also working on the last phase of this three phase project to create community rate community resources so right now the training modules are very heavy and very kind of provider centric. And so what we’re doing is we’re working with T. C. P. I. R. C. now can others. To kind of take the information they were you already have and then we can figure it we can figure it. To meet the needs for the community so message in a way that is good for them I’m a lot less information being presented. But making sure that we are informing our communities and- that isn’t that would be kind of the last phase of our project and then we’ll be doing try Chinese for both service providers and committee members and really just trying to educate the community because that’s how we will. Be able to address is chilling effects and be able to kind of reduce the fears that many are feeling right now. We invite folks to check out our website C. PCA. .org forward slash immigration. We have a the modules up and ready so people could download them now and see them my folks are interested and have being presentations done for your networks or your clients please let us know we’re very much able and happy to kind of help provide this train is along with you guys. We’ve also created some sample policies and procedures on to kind of help health centers create the safest space possible in case there is an enforcement agent that comes into the clinic so with all that I just to say check out the website is a lot of resources and let us know if you are interested in the strings and think you. Thank you and certainly I know that speaking to many of the clinics here these resource to be very important and that mainly clinics want to be sure that. Everyone the community has access to the care that’s provided in communicate X. the county of sacrament of course plays an extremely important role the county is the- governmental entity that jurors that we that. That people get access to health and Human Services very pleased to now have an Edwards director of the department human assistance it’s Sekhemre Connie. To give the local perspective local government thank you. Well I too want to thank senator pan for bringing us all together to have this. Very important conversation so the department human assistance is the entity in Sacramento county that actually determines eligibility for the program that we’re talking about for Medicare out for cal fresh for co works and many others. And we too have seen a chilling effect that’s a word that you are hearing and we get lots and lots of questions. From folks calling in wondering if they should discontinue their benefits or if they should even apply. And although a majority of immigrants are subject to this proposed rule we know that historically rules like this do you have a chilling effect on immigrants using public services. Because there is so much confusion. Mis information and fear you’ve heard a lot about fear today as well. And there’s a general fear about rules that target their community. I asked my staff for some examples of situations in which- of. Families and households are calling in and what their questions are and I thought it was a very interesting. So we get a lot of questions from parents. Who are undocumented about their children and their children receiving benefits. And there the parents are concerned about their immigration status and whether or not they’ll they will be deported because their children their legal citizen children are benefits. And I cannot tell you the number of people that have asked for their benefits to be. Discontinued even though we tell them that what they’re doing doesn’t have any impact on this proposed public charge rule. But they are very very concerned about their family. One of the most interesting they’re all. A devastating but we also received a cat a call from a household were every single member of the immigrant household was a legal resident. And this family was concerned about continuing their benefits because they thought that sometime in the future they may need to assist other family members and they were afraid it would impact the ability for other family members to come to this country and get help just because they were on benefits. And despite all of our discussions with them they insisted on having their coffers benefits terminated because of that. Another undocumented customer called with concern that. Receiving aid now may affect her chances of adjusting her legal status in the future. Another undocumented could parent with three minor children called and insisted that her case be discontinued and we really encourage families to get some legal some really good legal guidance before doing that some families were successful with and they are they go seek legal advice and guidance. But many of them don’t because of fear in the past two months we have received many many requests to terminate cases and we also have received many calls were individuals are eligible and they decide not to apply because of the fear. So all of the stories and other antidotes continue to tell us that individuals can be misinformed so they get their information from resources that they deem reliable such as word of mouth non traditional media and there are even some folks out there that call themselves immigration specialist and they’re really not they don’t have the training in these complex trip topic some of the training that you heard about. From other panel members today so this misinformation does cost people to not sign up for benefits even when they’re eligible to withdraw from benefits or to let their benefits laughs so that is why it is so critical that people ask a qualified legal resource before removing themselves or their families from the benefits that they so deserve. Unfortunately this proposed public charge well the public charge will itself has always been confusing and this change only makes that confusion greater so I look forward to the continued conversation about this I look forward to working together and we will continue to encourage individuals to keep their benefits and apply for benefits. Thank you. Thank you for sharing those stories. It’s actually quite terrifying to know that the level of fear that’s out in the community and again we’re here together to work on. Carry that fear and having people realize that they they can’t get help and they deserve. And now please C. introduced Jackie Wong his. The school board at Washington unified school district and vice president policy at and child poverty California and so she will be talking about the impact on our children and schools for. Regarding public charge thank you. And I apologize for being late we had a couple of conversations over in the capital regarding someone regarding this issue and the impact of what it means for our public benefits programs right how the state will respond to public charge so I apologize for the delay. In Jackie wanted today on that you’re talking in my capacity as a present on the watch to unified school district. We are sanctuary school district has many folks known we were kind of one of the- you know first districts to do that and then and yellow county and I just wanted to highlight a lot of people say well school district. Well my friends hi. The fact that well there are a lot of that kind of car about ten public charge for education but there’s actually. As we actually become more integrated and serve it with our services in the county in terms of. G. P. S. ET and medical billing and all of that. To ensure that our students who have experienced a lot of trauma in a life so far homeless youth are faster than. And what not. Are accessing the services there’s actually because of that chilling effect and the fact that you actually likely decrease in. The number of families on rolling in these public benefit programs. We will probably have see a loss in and integrated services. That are being actually administered at the school site and I know a lot of times that I have a- the near to have been well schools have been called gotten quite frankly. Yes and no. Right we think we think we also think about categorical eligibility. Which is a fundamental part of how we actually. Get our dollars the local control funding formula. Is now basically we get it where concentration grant district meeting that we get an extra benefit. For children who are foster youth English language learners. And children who are low income determined by free and reduced lunch. And here in California we have to have the benefit. Of direct certifications the data between the Khalfan department of. Social services health care services. Is actually matched with the California department of education. And that’s after how we actually determine our our funding mechanism. Right so if you see if there’s a decrease. In a Roman and medic how or snap. Because of public charge anything else. Quite frankly that’s going to actually interfere with actually our budgets in a very significant way. And will likely have less resources. To a community like ours with about a probably seven thousand students and I right now we have a proxy sixty. Percent of our students are free reduced once. Yeah. At and so those are kind of that impacts and I think a. Lot of people don’t think about. When thinking about education and this conversation and I’m actually very pleased and I appreciative of doctor pan and his staff inviting me. Into this conversation because we actually forget of. Forget that impact and in the big picture and what that means for our children. Not only in their healthcare needs but also our ability to actually provide the services in school districts across. So and- and that’s a little bit about kind of the perspective that I bring I know that. I am I’m I’m being arrested little bit but I’m also told that I get to open up kind of the discussion points. On. A for the round table discussion at this point so. I’m I don’t know if anybody has any questions about that impact or the overlap of. On education the doctor pan I’m gonna. Switch back to talk about I’m looking at him. When he. Thank you thank you thank you thank you very much. And really appreciate your perspective those both an advocate and also is a as the president of our one of our local school boards. As you point out that has this will have an overall impact on our school budgets certainly also is a pediatrician if you have a child who’s hungry at school. Because they’re not able that there could be harder for them to learn. A child who needs health care mental health services again oftentimes schools will. Make referrals or ask for referrals I’ve part of school nurses to. For patients on Medicare island if they’re not and rolled in Medicare all because parents are afraid. So as well as other services as well. So now we want to do is open up the discussion more broadly and I do before we begin that I also want to recognize two other lectin officials we have with us vice mayor of. Sacramento Eric era you and he’ll actually be. And he’ll actually be actually leading the discussion portion when we get to that and also Oak Grove city council member Stephanie when. And this men’s also a local advocate as well for the API community and- leading the Asian resources thank you. So what we want to do now is we want to hear from you heard from them I think all our speakers but we will hear from all of you because I know all of you’ve- had are experiencing things on the front lines. And we have a discussion and talk about some next steps. We do have several guiding questions but I think you. Heard from our speakers these themes so first of all water people hearing on the ground. Outward to major concerns and suggestions from local service providers. What is the best way to disseminate accurate information and really with that how to counter to fear because oftentimes to provide people acted information but they are just too afraid. And then what kind of policy solutions should we consider both locally and at the state. And so to kick this off I’m gonna ask vice mayor. Their care at two now speak about some of his work and then also to then lead the discussion so. Thank you what. Senator will that’s a strong Mike. Going to speak with with vigor here. Let’s give the Senate a big round of applause I think we need this kind of discussion. I think the discussion can start off with the last question I think first here’s what kind of policy considerations. Should reconsider and one of the things that the city’s second is considered is to the point what. President Jackie Huang of the washing the unified school district talked about is that. That we as a local government entities of realize that in order to make effective change. In our cities we have to start working together in parting together so when something like the public charge comes in. It affects every part of that networking with the city’s done. As we passed a resolution that did three things. Number one it it recognize that immigrants and refugees are a vital part of our overall fabric of our community. And they are our residents so we have issued a directive to our city attorney. To file all legal actions against the federal government for anything affecting our residents including. This one so we’ve joined part of the twenty seven. Cities and counties federal amicus brief against the federal government on this site. To weave a also it directed our our advocacy teams are governmental affairs teams. To make those efforts at the federal level and at the state level say Hey we need our state elected officials. And our administration did to be. Paying attention to these issues. I think what the Senate are brought up from the beginning fight fear with fax. That is a huge one so the city of Sacramento and this last yearly budget allocation. Has put in half a million dollars. For the family education and unification for legal services network that provides a legal defense. For our immigrants and refugees and also funds the education for nonprofits trainers through California rural legal assistance foundation they’re they’re the ones who of receive the- contract to execute those services. And finally local governments can pass ordinances in in in this resolution we passed an ordinance that restricted. The question of legal status of any for any of our services in the city. Because immigration status whether refugee or an immigrant has no bearing on the municipal services and municipal governments local education agencies. Counties and cities your your community service district. They service our residents and have no interest in and they’re the first one to touch. People on the ground so I think making sure that we provide trust at the very closest level of government is going to improve. The immigrants and refugees in our community to say Hey we can trust our government we can trust our law enforcement. So I think policy considerations those are a few things that we can do we can work with our local of a governing. Bodies to make those changes and I think. That by my colleague from the city they’ll grow who’s worked heavily with immigrants and refugees. In the city of Sacramento and the greater Sacramento region I broke it probably discuss in detail some of the services that that happened there. Thank you Sir. I won’t Nancy. The microphone doesn’t work the same way for me is it the three year. Thank you so my name is Stephanie when I’m the executive director of Asian resources I’m also. A council member for the city of elk Grove and- you know listening to that Hannah speak here and expressionless and Edwards when she talked about those stories I’m sitting I think it. I think she got all of those stories from our clients because- as an organization that’s been around for over forty years we started. To work with that refugees that came during the fall of Saigon and since then your refugees have changed from Vietnamese so mom to now the middle eastern community and- folks from Iran and Syria and so. We hear these stories all the time and you know councilmember yours is absolutely right is it is about policy but I also. Look at how we all talked about we were giving information out. And the information is being circulated through different channels and what happens in the API community is that there’s so many different folks that feel like they’re experts in this. And there are not really experts but they are trusted in the community and so. And my line of work they don’t use Facebook they don’t use Twitter they don’t use any of that but they do the telephone the old school way and that gets around. To the immigrant community so much faster than you can imagine and that to them that word right there mean stronger than anything that comes from any. Trusted service providing organization one of the things that. I was talking I you know Liane Lambert there’s my program director and she really oversees all of that how fresh applications. That M. covered California that medic. Health programs that we do when we hear every day. And when we get questions from families that say that they would like to descend role because of what they’re hearing out there in the community we try we try to convince them in trucks. We try to educate them. But one of the things that we don’t have and maybe this is something we can have is. Some type of a document that has department of human assistance logo on there maybe the senators low on there because just putting a rise logo on there is not enough. Right having some credibility behind that and giving it to us so that we can translate and all the different languages. But more so than just one organization while I stand behind our organization being the best organization that can translate. The language into simple language right not a professional way. I would suggest giving it to multiple organizations that have the ability to do it. To make sure that the information we’re giving out. Is correct and accurate because- we do things like that where we have something that is a R. I. backed and we take the information we put out there. But it’s a right right it’s not the senator’s office it’s not department of human assistance. So we can all work together and putting something together. Similar to that and having your organization’s behind I think that’s something we can often use why think. Policy changes are gonna take awhile but something like that is a little bit. Is something that we can do automatic gear and right away and there’s so many different languages. That we can all do it and but some. The more they can give that information out there. And the more that we can all use that. Exact fact sheet I’d say. So instead of. Me taking information. And making it the air I love. I mean you know that changes it all completely and so just taking one document. And having a multiple language and disseminating all across the board and- changing I think that’s going to be more powerful because that’s gonna be the same. Documentation that no matter what language you speak or more what community that you’re and you’re gonna get that exact same. Document you know I also want to add that this is wonderful that we’re doing this this should have happened a long long time ago so if so thank you. Doctor. Hand for doing this and we only have a few days before people. Freak out the commute out we serve are gonna freak out there already freaking out right. And that we need to somehow do this and- several other different communities in in language as well to. Right well I respect everybody that sitting. There if I were going to do this. In long in Vietnamese and Chinese. They’re going to want to see people that they trust me I want to hear in their language because- having. Somebody that is an attorney translated into me transferring it to them is not going to necessarily put them at ease they want to. Talk to the attorney themselves in their language right. So we can work together. As a region as a whole in point folks together better expert that speak the language and maybe doing it and several different languages. I think that would be powerful as well to an inviting the communicants. But also doing it. Where they feel most comfortable right so doing it in South Sacramento a Stockton Boulevard doing it. You know in citrus heights where we have an office that serves refugees. And doing it. On Franklin over we’re left a million is for the Latino community. Those you know those are just my suggestion I can go on. Forever. But I think I’m I’ve got another forty five minutes right doctrine. I want to stop because I know there’s a lot of other folks in the room that would like to speak and I know that. We want to answer questions we get from everybody else out there as well to. Okay yeah. Also there ever because you know Stephanie coming here so this is been watching this has been really emotional. Because my family benefited from all of these. Programs. And it’s important I think what you you have been on the head and I’m glad to see all the I can actually find him because they have built a relationship with the families in a very deep way. That will be heard it I mean the legal of course the legal action is it is very important the unified documents are really important. But there are people who’ve been in our communities for four decades. Building the relationships of families and- I should say that. Went into doesn’t sixteen when things were interesting. I would say that. Is that we had actually a decline in we it and tell fashion Roman for some reason so our numbers went down. And we said why why is that well we have lots of reasons this is Pete preview public charge. And we actually went to my C. C. A. in our family resource center said Hey can you help us get the word out. And enroll people and how fast because this actually impacts us. In two thousand sixteen. Right and so I don’t want to diminish kind of though the work of the people have been been doing this all in a long time in the language of the people who look like them who lived in lived next door to them. Because quite frankly for people like Mike me and my family we’re still connected to the people who helped us. People who came to my wedding when because they’re they’re the ones who helped us enroll in public assistance. Right so there’s some there’s a power in that that I want to acknowledge that as part of this network of people and those stories right so. The more that we can partner with it’s like why C. C. A. and others. That I think that’s important. Yes. Yeah this is speech. Sure yeah. At about one I. this thank you for making me and things that. I come from a background of family resource centers working family resource centers but I will say to everyone here is police connect with your local family resource centers connect with them. Work alongside with them pourtant eighty Vance with them and get the word out I also agree in a unified messaging especially from the state of California we’re still waiting on something from the department of health care services. To disseminate that same information to our community members we want to make sure that we have the official seal off California on any information that we give to our clients in the language that they speak. However I also believe that our public servants like doctor pan and our city council our school board members I also believe that this is the time that they need to be visible within the communities that they serve. They need to connect with the local organization serving specific immigrant communities organized town hall meetings organized events where we actually bring in immigration lawyers bringing all the service providers so that families feel like. They can come out of the saddle we serve west Sacramento Wes I commend tunes with most of our immigrant families who works like I meant was that the mental work in Clarksburg the work of the wineries there migrant farmers. Soul half of the time date trust us because we’re on a school campus were very you know we’re not that visible or on a school campus were very protected within that. Community so they come to us for their benefits needs and anything else that’s going on one of the things that were noticing this the housing situation that’s coming up with the hot hot vouchers. So that’s very that’s very alarming to us but. Him being here today I really. I hate urge all of you to please connect with your local family resource center and be the advocate for the community if we have our- city officials and city council members being that the visible advocate for days this will be really helpful to us. Talk. That as far as language access the California family coalition has just released some of the factions in twenty two different languages throughout the state we are asking you know local organizations and kind of fluent speakers to take a look at it so the technical language is more common and then we have four California piff different subcommittees that you could be a part of whether it’s meeting gauge man communications or media outrage we are actively looking for you know local language speakers so that they can go on ethnic media to. Be that person that is trust in the community. There are several things and- really. And your as far as official information. California part Hale help the Newman service agency just released their official factsheet it’s unfortunately not in twenty two languages. Which is I think why see a path need to kind of be that resource. But you know that is something that is the official actually it has all the logo’s for public health. Healthcare services and department of social services and anyone could put their logo is then on it to make it more official. If I could just add that that that fact sheet that is by the health and Human Services agency as I understand will be updated by the fifth at around the fifteenth so maybe wait. For that updated translated version and from western center on mom poverty and our partner attorneys who are working on the case we are directing people to the path factsheets as being the most accurate up an appropriate at this point and so we encourage you to use those. I just want to point out that we do have the- the Mexican consulate here and for me I think it’s important to note because- in as- one of the areas where I’ve spent a lot of time working as in the cow fresher snap out reach community in designing. Our outreach community that we have now. And for the longest time we were still having problems with public charge questions. A long time before this came around and what we used to help people understand the rule was a document by the Mexican consulate. M. for that community of people the communication from the consulate saying. Actually snap is not a public charge. Was more it was more useful than any other document we could have provided at two people who were emigrating from that country or who had lived here who had originated from that country. And so just to think about our partnerships that that sometimes the most trusted communication is from our partners who. You know from from the consulates and so think about that as well we love to update that snapped actually to make sure that they understand. I think we really literally have a letter from two thousand and seven that’s photocopied a hundred times over that people were handing out with the applications before the most recent rule so we can update that that could be something. Really quick policy because the question was what policy can we do and Sacramento has a great has some great models for this doctor pan and. This community for example spends that that had summer lunches. Throughout the summer. I this is a perfect example of how you can provide services. To address hunger and increased hunger among children which you’re- we’re gonna have. Because of the chilling effect and. And you you don’t ask for people’s ID you don’t ask for their social or their parents social you don’t ask for their immigration status when they come to get their lunch they come to get the lunch. And remember I said that this this policy isn’t just about the very narrow group of people that will impact it’s not just about the group of people who will be afraid to apply for benefits because of it. It is about making the whole community afraid so how do you get over that you bring people together and at these if anybody participated in the summer events they had buses going around they had games they had families coming together. That is the exact type of universal program serving people bring people together that we can as Californians say you know what. We’re not gonna we’re not gonna be afraid we’re gonna come together we’re going to embrace our community and so finding more universal policies more policies for people to be supported in in unified situations I think is really the policy solutions we’d like to see. At from the state level on down. Thank you. Hello hello can you hear me. Perfect thank you so much for this forum I’ve seen the measure and the medical director of Sacramento county primary health. And I just want to reiterate and reinforce what we’ve heard today about fighting fear with FAQ and having a local organization do something about it. I just want to share two stories one discouraging and then one very encouraging. Is that we had a health for all events at organization. And in hopes of getting the word out for applying for Medicare how applying for the county’s health insurance for the undocumented we run the whole health program you can get full scope care there. And six people and rolled. It was a huge events and that’s it. Only six people enrolled and it was really sort of hit home. How bad the fear had become. And so what we decided because as a medical institution often clients have relationships with their clinicians. The support staff you have a different form of relationship a trusting relationship there. And so but what we’re trying to do is get out the information. From C. PCA from everywhere to save these these are what’s affected and again I get it out there that emergency medic how is not affected so. Applying for emergency medic hal and getting on a county health care program healthy partners you are not a target at all. And so I sure the discouraging story of only six people. Signing up but on the flip side of that. By providers discussing at discussing with our patients the actual facts. Talking about their families because their families are also undocumented. I just wanna as shared that I received. The message yesterday from a patient who is just so thankful should simple but severe anemia. And had not treated it for years and had been unable to work unable to do the job the income a cleaning houses and just received a very thankful letter she’s does not have a name yet she feels while she feels great she’s ready to get back into the work force be M. onto her kids. It makes a difference and just wanna share one last thing is that we’ve partnered with legal services of northern California. And so they now come to our clinic twice a month and so as soon as the patient is seen whether you’re seeing a doctor whether you’re seeing. Support staff or pharmacist if there’s anything that you share a fear anything weird directing them right then you see the provider. And then you just walk over and across. The exam room and there is legal services right there to help you so it it’s been we are already seeing the difference that we can make. Thank you I just want to mention actually we do a microphone for people in the audience so you may think that only people appear to speak said you wish to just. Stand up behind the Mike there will recognize you. Also I just want to mention that I appreciate you know people talk about getting a unified information. Will certainly certainly my office will try to pull some stuff together but I also. And we talk about how important actor information is. We also know that it’s a little bit of a moving target so sometimes like I know we’ve people tried to confirmation been told it’s not entirely so. And is that the rule doesn’t get implemented till the fifteenth so there’s- they are later. Little success all right so there there could be so it’s a certain extent this is one of our challenges because we know that we need to get accurate information out to people to mitigate the dress the fear. Same time. Some of the information is a bit of a moving target so we’re gonna so we’ll have to figure out a good communication strategy I would also mention is that. So I guess on the state and or the government and like we we’re we’re gonna putting seals on stuff. But we’re not always so good at. Getting to those thought leaders in the community so we need everyone’s help to figure how to put that all together so. If I get I figured I add to that point very briefly and the city of Sacramento we realized that that was always going to be a challenge and rather than the city of Sacramento beginning its own. Legal office or or office of some cities to have an office of immigration affairs which is which is fine it’s good. But what we realized we needed to like all the partners. And the at the fuel network which executes a lot of the information is. Thirty nine nonprofit partners I meet regularly I see the food bank here today they’re part of that service so we go from everything from food security. To legal services and we’re talking regularly and I think that model if replicated at the local level. And we as a step from local. Partners Este partners can link. Then we can do like. As as as my colleague on the on the council grow Mitchell. We can do the old fashioned phone tree much faster with it so I think that that network model is it is a good one. Actually what can I go W. hi yes. Okay right so Gladys is actually here she’s the coordinator for the fuel network and she’s the one who if you’re interested in a presentation and more consultations it just you email her she’s our point person she’s able to coordinate that with us because it really does require that families know about their particular immigration status it’s not just me no one size fits all so please glasses radiation actually standing right there. So. Let her know if you have any questions or want to connect things. Excellent good morning my name is not getting the best that we Lara faculty at Sacramento state from also here representing today. The California faculty association we represent over twenty four thousand faculty tenure line lecturers coaches librarians and counselors. And so this has been an important charge for us as far as securing the safety. And sense of being for not only our faculty before students I think it’s often. Zoomed at a university levels whether it be community college or state system where you see your private that our students and our faculty. There’s an illusion of that they are immune to these experiences when reality we have a strong population or a large population of students that are with make status families or themselves documented status and we have a small portion but we do have a population of faculty. That are immigrants have immigrant status or are also on doc on themselves or I have mix families and themselves as well and sold the same worries that occur in the communities outside transcends and I think that’s one of the things that we need to. Remember ideas from university framework is that when they come or enter the university and park their car the realities and experiences that they are living does not. Becoming visible and so the wanted things that we worry about most and that we have been working towards or really trying to address as a faculty association is the emotional. Impact and trauma dramatic impact that that serves not only for Foxy before our students and one of the areas that we need help in our is that of counselors across the state of the C. S. you specifically there are presidents who are trying to. Leave the eight that the currently we have about one counselor to every three thousand students and that would even include the faculty who seek counseling at our campuses as well so we have students at times that will not be able to see a counselor tell for like a month to month. By that time who knows what that situation is we currently have a bill that we’re supporting SB six sixty which has had some struggles but those bills are out there we keep pushing it there to try. To provide an accurate number of cancers. In relationship or correlation to the students and so I think as far as the faculty association I am here saying that you can count on. Faculty from the C. S. U. to support in any way that we can to continue to build the relationships with the families and the students were on the front lines with the students seen them every day. And so these are situations are realities are real when their anxieties high their focus. On their on their studies and graduating become secondary and if we know that in California our students are the future leaders and we need to prioritize. The resources that we can for them as well thank you very much. Thank you. Good afternoon everyone hi my name is Gladys plan then the fuel program coordinator and so we are very fortunate that here in the city of sacramental the city has supported us with funding to develop the deportation defense program and so this program provides legal services to families who are in a deportation proceeding for those that are currently detained and those that are not detained and also community capacity building so that’s know your rights presentations tabling mental health services I’m in so we do have an ongoing train the trainers series on that’s available for several community. Service organizations that are interested in attending these trainings in our immigration attorneys at California real legal assistance foundation leave these trainings and continually update the information we also have sub grants that are available and so that’s a very unique part of the program on the has been very helpful for the organizations are part of it there’s a organizations that are part of this upgrade so Sacramento food bank for example is one of them we’ve ankh sacramental act and so. What’s great about this program is it it’s just finding already existing nonprofits and networks that are already doing this work and working with our families that are most impacted and so I did check in with our partners to look you know get stories from the ground Andy mentioned so I’ll go ahead and share some of Sacramento foodbank stories so you visa applicant who is a single father and taking his kids to work with is taking his kids to work with him. Because he’s afraid that by requesting services to take care of his children a because his associating after school programs and government what effect in minutes application for you Lisa and he is currently a landscaper and has two children which are between the ages of four to seven a most LPARs are coming into food bank. I think that the propose rule applies to them and are. Hesitant to apply for medical and health fresh benefits. The majority of families. Are currently not wanting to enroll in these benefits a mother did not renew her tell fresh for her for United States born children because she was afraid that it would affect her eligibility for any immigration benefit in the future she is a documented. Some families has we have begun selling through and families to make ends meet because they have discontinued public benefits. And some do not want to receive any type of benefits including diapers are materials for school because- they believe that that would affect impact there. Potential to apply for immigration relief I’m in so currently in our train the trainers training we have created an update for public charge so it includes information on what this proposed. Rule changes and when the announcement was made. The proposed rule may go into effect October fifteenth two thousand nineteen the lawsuits may delay the rule change. One of the changes targets people who have received full scope medic how snap and subsidized housing. I’m but our messages also that most people can still safely use public benefits until that’s highlighted in this presentation for families as well as for the train the trainers for the service providers. So the rule change only affects people who try to become lawful permanent residents or family member there are exceptions in the change role that allow some people to safely use public benefits even if they will try to become. A lawful permanent resident or family member the following individuals can safely use public benefits US citizens including family members of those seeking lawful permanent residency that our family. Do not desyrel United States citizen children from public benefits L. P. R. refugee missile these individuals under the age of twenty one people for pregnant people who have applied for receive our you the city visa or sieges. So. This has been included in our train the trainers and you know we’re doing our best to work with school districts for example I’m too doing docu ally training so that educators are familiar with what. Students as well as families rights are we just had an and doc ally training actually in elk Grove as well. We were working with the side of the family engagement department we’ve also been working with a Sacramento city unified school district and twin rivers unified. To disseminate this information on to families and parents of last year we had two of family leadership conferences in collaboration with a laugh at me like counseling center and with twin rivers unified. School districts based department I we were able to reach over two hundred families and provide ninety legal consultations on site and so although we want to make sure that families have this information we also want to connect them with an actual console with. A trusted immigration attorney because ultimately. Each situation is different and it’s a very complex information that needs to be distilled. But we do need the support and what you were mentioning and getting like the culturally relevent. Translation of this information so pairing up. You know the trusted attorneys and health providers with that trusted. Person in the community that can translate this information competently because I know that’s also a skill set of being able to transportation confirmation into away that relatable and understandable and then after that. Step has been completed making sure that somebody watching for that Senate making sure that they don’t. You know distant roll around and so. We’re really excited to continue you know this collaboration within the Sacramento region. Yeah I did also just want to mention that we are going to be accepting new applications so October tenth the sub grant application will go out as well as the committee application so if you aren’t already on the list server we share information about network events and- sub and up locations and please let me know I’ll go ahead and add you or you can email us at info at Senate Phil. Thank you thank you we’re coming closer time but itself nine for a couple more I did have a brief question for an Edwards actually since your departments at sort of the point the spear for a lot of these things is that the is a county. Is there any possibility are you looking at be able to track so you know we here we have stories to be able to track let’s say people are non renewing what people are dropping maybe even I know this privacy issues but maybe an aggregate geo locating so perhaps as we’re looking at where is the biggest week we can sort of we Mike gas like we’ll hear emigrants muses that are about. To have actually get some more data on where it looks like we are falling short is that something do you think the county might be able to help with so that’s interesting that you ask because I asked the same question this week and I asked for the stories to share today because we have we haven’t been tracking that is so it was a question so I don’t know the answer to that yet but it is something that works flooring because I think it’s really important. To know where this is happening and how often and so you know what I shared today was staff members remembering the stories that were very troubling to them that share them with me but I will look into that and I can okay so back to yeah that would be helpful because we’re trying to get out player resources how we. Can be more targeted. And yet something. Very briefly. That we’re trying to we’re looking at doing three surveys provider survey. And M. roller survey another one the data provider and brother could offer to a patient and server that patient. Take themselves to try to capture some of this information and to. Because we’re also involved in that occasion efforts to maybe even state the information up to our that caters. I’m so just know that those of palm. Where were trying capture to. Yes thank you and actually I have the same comment. Because we’re all talking about getting. My name is merry list Paulson and I’m from Sacramento housing and redevelopment agency we administer the housing choice voucher sexually the smallest public housing. And so when we talk about public charge I know some of you have heard. For the folks are recieving housing subsidies there is. There’s a plan to. Discontinue that assistance and- publicly nationally the number the- the folks at worst so to be affected is fifty five thousand children. Nationally will that’s way under counting clearly the folks to be impacted so I think this group is really a strong group not only for what we can communicate to our communities. But also as we advocate for the folks that were serving and bring not only the data. As an adwords mentioned but also the stories that we’re talking about and bring those up to the decision makers. Doctor pan and his cohorts so that there really isn’t an understanding that the housing choice voucher for example the housing assistance. Is a pro rated so the families who have. Family members who are not legal citizen do not get the benefit but- typically what happens is it’s an adult member who’s a non citizen but the children are. So by discontinuing the assistance is the children who suffer as the family then. Becomes homeless who is the concert. So but I think that’s really important that we pass that message. Off an advocate with the folks that were serving. Thank you yes. Hi a bill in the lumber most listeners college federation teachers CMT. I just want to see the community college level what we’re seeing in terms of the chilling effect goes outside of just some of the health issues. We’ve had students say I don’t think I could filled California Dreamin. Should I take baths a- we have students are we partner with segment of food bank for our basic needs food distribution. We have Susan I don’t think I could even come to get the free food even though we don’t take any information other than their student ID number. But I also think that what we’re all talking about here in terms of capacity building. Is that fresas community colleges is that we know for the students. If they’re lucky they have a counselor then the faculty member that they can plug into. Right here a second city college number since wander into my office and the hope I have an answer we don’t actually have the training on the can you college campuses bill to help. So I think that as we think about the pointy things thing about policy how can we get. Resources to community. Colleges C. issues. And I would also say maybe last. In a past life I worked on a- mental health in LA and think about how we carve out some innovation grant funds to sort of help facilitate this work because the trauma that were seen because of this and Roman is also very real so thank you very much for this work and really appreciate your- are you concerned together. Thank you thanks much. Okay hi Henry rocker behavioral health services cultural competence unit and I have a couple of requests one now you have this great convening a list serve if you can get us the facts and it’s fine that they’re in English were fortunate to have cultural brokers who help us validate translations and people who can get information out to the community so we have verified validated information that I can run by my chain of command we can get it to the community. And then another request of the vice mayor it sounds like you’ve done a great job putting together a collaborative maybe that could be made into a tool kit that can be replicated across the states and municipalities would have some way to some steps to put together a collaborative to get this information out because I confesses I heard all the presentations there some things I’m clear on and others I’m not I don’t feel like I’m qualified to advise anybody so if there could be really simple information that we can get out in our networks including some of the- special language broadcast and cultural brokers. That would really help with a lot of the fear Steven if we don’t have a 100% the information of what we can get simple facts that we could share we have relationships of cultural brokers and would be delighted to do that because the fear is real the trauma is real and we like to do everything we can to mitigate that. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome I’m watching the clock with you. I man Waylon and I’m currently the interim director of the community engagement center at Sacramento state. And I just wanted to say that one of the things that I would like to have the- entire group aware of. Is that whether it’s a service learning course where faculty you’re sending out students into the community or an academic internship perhaps some of you have an opportunity to work with students in that role. Or just civic engagement in general our office is really interested in having war community partners and making sure that we’re connected to our community. So I just invite you to connect the community engagement Sir what kind of a point place. For those of you in the community who are looking for a connection with Sacramento state. And I think my a former chair Dr Hysan who’s now our dean and SS I yes I think my- current share his lan Hannah. I think my associates and colleagues doctor Nadine Bron Steen and doctor Michael Schultz. For their role in in bringing this all. To happen today and all the interns thank you so much. I’m a- I’m hoping to just make sure people do have a copy of a flyer that we have that we do have it in Spanish as well we love other translations. That’s asking for people impacted by the rule to give us a call. And has a really it’s put together by the attorneys on the case by. And so it’s a one page kind of. Who is impacted by the rule. It’s a cheat sheet you might say to help you understand it. If you look at that at I hope it’ll give you a little clearer. Idea of the very small number of people. That are impacted by the rule. Again not the chilling effect. But also let us know and we understand that it would take a lot for somebody to step forward. As an individual impacted by the rule to join the litigation. But after we get after we get through the preliminary injunction portion of the litigation then we fight the rule itself. And having an infected person. Would really help with that so we encourage you to work with us to identify. A very brave individual. Who can help us fight this role. All right that I want to thank everyone for being here on thank all our speakers and everyone who came to join in the audience. I think we’ve heard certainly one of things we need to get done this figure out how we can compile. And some accurate information they gather but- I think. And so will certainly want to my office and they were gonna look into a of what we can try to do so will reach out to people and try to. See what resources are and see what we can try to compile with that. I also want to thank sac state again for hosting us today and also apropos. Our last speaker on the remarks yeah we. Have to die and I think dietetic interns for helping staff. Thank everyone here we have a lot of work to do and looking and Preciado one coming together here and let’s go and- I counted if you’re with good information but even more poorly be sure that we don’t leave anyone behind. Thank you